Keyword quantity

[Dave Koehler]

Depending on what I read it seems like you can either have too many keywords or not enough.

Quality is not the question here, just quantity. Can you have too many or too few? Anyone got a feeling on what amount of keywords per page is sufficient?

[Exile]

I don't think that anyone has that answer Dave. I would use the general rule of thumb that too few is better than too many. And as long as your content supports the keywords you should be fine.

I tend to use only about 50 and rely on those for quality visitors on other sites of mine. I think I have about that many on foodandrestaurants as well.

[WebMonkey08]

I followed this Pro Marketer (at that SEO Forum), guy was a real jerk. I asked him about Keyword Stuffing because it seemed like he had too many keywords in the content and Metas and Alts. He said you won't get penalized if your Meta Keywords / Description are in the Content of your page.His credo was Content, the more the better. I saw him get good position on Content alone. Here's a site he started http://www.finedesigncloset.com/ See all the Content on that page..that's the ticket.

[Dave Koehler]

Wow, that boy sure got a lot of stuff in a small closet space. Wondering if any of the other linked pages will be finished.

I think there has to be a balanced decision between being all worried about the content thing for robots and having a page your potential customer can read and navigate without a magnifying glass.
If you aren't interested in paying customers but rather links then I suppose content does indeed rule.

[WebMonkey08]

Wow, that boy sure got a lot of stuff in a small closet space. Wondering if any of the other linked pages will be finished.

I think there has to be a balanced decision between being all worried about the content thing for robots and having a page your potential customer can read and navigate without a magnifying glass.
If you aren't interested in paying customers but rather links then I suppose content does indeed rule.


That Closet Site, that guy started that site and was mad because the Client was hemming and hawwing about proceeding. This guy has does work for Fortune 500 Companies, and claimed he could knock people out of position real easy. He was a real jerk, he rippred everyones site at that Forum for days on end. I read some of the stuff he wrote, though, and it seemed to make sense.

[WebMonkey08]

That Closet Site, that guy started that site and was mad because the Client was hemming and hawwing about proceeding. This guy has does work for Fortune 500 Companies, and claimed he could knock people out of position real easy. He was a real jerk, he rippred everyones site at that Forum for days on end. I read some of the stuff he wrote, though, and it seemed to make sense.

He used to call the 'In House' web guy at the comapnies he did work for 'Web Monkey' because he thought they were all morons. (thats where my handle comes from)

[Dave Koehler]

Maybe this line of thinking is why I think a lot of corporate sites I go to are a cluttered pain in the butt to navigate.

When some webmasters make sites for corporations do they deliberately make them complicated and sometimes vague at the same time to justify their charges?

[Exile]

Maybe this line of thinking is why I think a lot of corporate sites I go to are a cluttered pain in the butt to navigate.

When some webmasters make sites for corporations do they deliberately make them complicated and sometimes vague at the same time to justify their charges?

I am with you on that one. If I find such a cluttered site I immediately lose interest. Maybe that is just a "guy" thing because my wife laughs at me for going to a convenience store for milk instead of navigating the grocery store isles :)

Give me the site and make it easy to find what I am looking for is all I ask.

[WebMonkey08]

Maybe this line of thinking is why I think a lot of corporate sites I go to are a cluttered pain in the butt to navigate.

When some webmasters make sites for corporations do they deliberately make them complicated and sometimes vague at the same time to justify their charges?

I know what you are saying but this guy claims the Content has to be there to get position, and he had every search phrase imaginable covered, number1 for all. He used Neilsen Rates, all sorts of stuff for research. And claimed 'Position' was the easy part. Next step is 'Conversion', which actually get people go to the site and buy, or do what the goal of the site was.

I know he did this site too, which is pretty extensive www.forex.com

[WebMonkey08]

I know what you are saying but this guy claims the Content has to be there to get position, and he had every search phrase imaginable covered, number1 for all. He used Neilsen Rates, all sorts of stuff for research. And claimed 'Position' was the easy part. Next step is 'Conversion', which actually get people go to the site and buy, or do what the goal of the site was.

I know he did this site too, which is pretty extensive www.forex.com

That's why I find this Forum the Athesis (complete opposite) of this SEO Forum http://www.v7n.com/forums/seo-forum/ Go there, and you will see that people are working on strategies to Market thier site. The last thing on thier minds are 'Slide Shows', 'Lyte Box'..the 'bells and whistles' don't cut it. But I like this Forum, ppl are nice..it's interesting too

[Dave Koehler]

The forex thing was a lot nicer to read. Interestingly enough only 3 keywords.

[Dave Koehler]

I Maybe that is just a "guy" thing

Chuckle ;)
In the case of my own website this is indeed the case. Visitors are mostly guys that have a good idea of what they want. I have a working knowledge of my client base and it's definitely a case of getting them to their goal in the shortest possible manner. However I still have the appropriate buzz words and explanations and articles in place.

I haven't really studied and worked the seo thing until the last six months or so. I will see down the road if it helps much. I never expect immediate results anyway. Print advertising that I have done in the past is always a 6 month or longer delay in results and you have to keep putting the ad out so it becomes a known quantity. I suspect the seo thing is the same concept.

[supa]

Well dave there is one thing you haven't done...
I must say I was inspired by our monkey to do that..

Change you signature to show keywords instead of your site url
just build your url link with meta words. will give you some SEO juice.

Supa

[Dave Koehler]

OK, fine. I give. :D
I know where the cp panel is but how does one make the http: link read one thing and actually link to another in the signature.

[supa]

You first write the sentence you like.
mark it all and then press on the "insert link" icon.
put in the link.

Supa

[Dave Koehler]

Something like this I presume.

[supa]

Yes :D ...
this will work

Supa

[zeekstern]

Depending on what I read it seems like you can either have too many keywords or not enough.

Quality is not the question here, just quantity. Can you have too many or too few? Anyone got a feeling on what amount of keywords per page is sufficient?

As you mentioned "depending on what I read".. A good rule of thumb is your page should contain between 3% to 7% of keywords. Placement and format is also important. H1 should have keywords, bold, underline etc. Same with H2 and H3 tags. Be sure to include main keywords in first paragraph and bottom of page. There is a bunch more to it but this should give you an idea. Here is a free resource you can use to check out your pages:
www.keyworddensity.com. If you don't like that page, just Google keyword density:p

Also, quality is important. If you have quality text, your page will read naturally and your keywords will probably appear where they should automatically. If you just stuff keywords in the places I mentioned above, the page will not read right and Google can detect it. This is called keyword stuffing.

Good luck,
Zeek

[WebMonkey08]

As you mentioned "depending on what I read".. A good rule of thumb is your page should contain between 3% to 7% of keywords. Placement and format is also important. H1 should have keywords, bold, underline etc. Same with H2 and H3 tags. Be sure to include main keywords in first paragraph and bottom of page. There is a bunch more to it but this should give you an idea. Here is a free resource you can use to check out your pages:
www.keyworddensity.com. If you don't like that page, just Google keyword density:p

Also, quality is important. If you have quality text, your page will read naturally and your keywords will probably appear where they should automatically. If you just stuff keywords in the places I mentioned above, the page will not read right and Google can detect it. This is called keyword stuffing.

Good luck,
Zeek

And why isn't your URL in your 'Signature' here?

[zeekstern]

And why isn't your URL in your 'Signature' here?

Simply because I don't have any sites that I am trying to get back links to.

Zeek