Nav buttons and aligning

[M0ZLB]

Is there a way of ensuring that my navigation buttons appear on each of my pages in EXACTLY the same place?

I have tried to copy and paste them but as they are all roll over buttons, the system copies them to a new page but the result is a split from the top and bottom images that go to make up the rollover image! Trying to then individually place the top image back over the bottom image (which IS in the correct place) is a nightmare :)

Thanks in advance for any help!

[Dave Koehler]

Can't help, except for a suggestion below, on the placement page to page but there is hope for aligning things up.

Right click gets you basic alignment options. You will need to shift/select both items.
Up on the tool bar the arrange option gives the same thing plus so much more. There should be something there to solve your alignment issues.

One note is that WE triggers the alignment off of the last item selected.
IE: If you had an item to the right and you selected it last, the item on the left would move to the right.

If support doesn't have a trick here is one.
Since it pastes things in the upper left hand corner you can try putting a rectangle box behind your nav buttons so that the box extends up and to the left. Then do the copy / paste. Delete the box later. If the goal is the nav buttons to be the same on all pages then you only have to do the box thing on the first page. Just paste to the rest.

Something that I do is have a basic page all set up without the meat. IE: I just open it and then do a "save as" to a new document, then go to work adding the pertinent stuff. You can do the same thing with a current document. Do a "save as" document, delete what you don't need, then add the new stuff.

Dave Koehler
www.koehlerinjection.com

[VerbatimEB]

If you are needing to know where exactly on the page your item is placed:
Highlight the item by clicking on it.
Look down in the right hand corner of the screen - see those little numbers there?

They look like this: 140,23 and 120x120

The 140,23 is the exact placement of the highlighted item (text or box) by pixel and the 120x120 is it's size.

So - you copy and paste a nav button to a new page and move it close to the position you want. Then you can hightlight it by choosing it and move it with the arrow keys to the exact position you need it in.

I keep scratch paper by my keyboard for just such occasions - most of it is filled with goofy looking numbers! - long strings of them sometimes! lol.

If you are never shaky handed you can place it with the mouse but when I get tired I use the arrow keys.

Does this Help?

Verb :)

[VerbatimEB]

I also do what Dave does - make the home page as close to exactly
how I want it with links intact and then save as to make other pages.

I know you also save your work as a template and use that but I have
not done that - I save each page in a new directory under the main dir.
for a web site and put each page in it's own directory. Kind of clumsey
sometimes but by doing that the copy paste for text keeps the
formatting intact so all I have to do is move it around on a page for
text items I might add.

There is also the "align" and "fit" menus to use and I use those to align
text to the same position and to move things to a horizontal and vertical
position that is evenly spread.

Verb :)

[M0ZLB]

OK, thanks for that.

Let me try copying a page that has everything set up as I want it! I haven't seen this function yet but I am sure i can find a copy command somewhere:)

Whilst writing, does anyone know why every page size is adjusted if I just adjust one of them? Most of my pages are of different lengths so no one size will fit all. When I adjust one page size, it affects others so I end up chasing my tail trying to adjust them all!

Thanks (again) in advance!

[M0ZLB]

Just followed Dave's advice and opened my page that has everything set up on it; pressed "save as", selected "document", (had to provide a new name of course) and it saved the whole website in the "Documents" folder - so how do I get to the copy of the page that I have just saved to use it as the "second" page with all the bits and pieces already on it!
Very confused :)

[VerbatimEB]

Hello moz.

You have an album with lots of pages but what you need is one page in each folder so,

note: always keep one .alb with all the pages in it until you are done.

01.) You are going to seperate your .alb into a lot of one page .albs.

02.) One page in each folder. This will allow you to adjust each pages size.

03.) Once you have "saved as" a new name - use the Modify menu and delete every page except the one you want to keep.

04.) So now you should have one .alb with all the pages in it and one .alb with one page.

05.) Keep doing this until you have all the pages seperated into .albs of their own.

06.) Now you can resize each page as you need too.

Note 2: When naming each page use a name that describes what the page is. i.e.: home, products, links, etc.

In this manner you can control:

a.) Each page size.
b.) Each pages meta tags.
c.) Each pages description.

Remember that when you are ready - you will need to upload each page seperately and into it's own folder in your cpanel too.

Being able to interject meta tags and descriptions for each page is important later on - so by using this method you will be preparing your web site pages for SEO work too.

Does this help?

Verb :)

[M0ZLB]

Thanks for that informative reply, I think I had better make sure I know what I am doing before I screw something up :)

Lets say I have 12 pages in my .alb. I am going to create 12 x .alb's and then remove 11 pages from each .alb leaving pages 1 - 12 in .alb 1 - 12 - so far so good (?)

Now I open each page individually and re-size each one to my requirements.

Question - will the embedded links in each page remain?

Having done that, I have 12 albums of 1 page each - how do I upload them, one at a time or do I dump them all back in one .alb??

What I mean is that I don"t quite understand this

"you will need to upload each page seperately and into it's own folder in your cpanel too"

Thanks again for your help!

David

[VerbatimEB]

Hello David,

You will NOT dump the pages back together later on - you will leave them as seperate entities - this is absolutely your best way to get what you want in the end. NO, the navigation will all change when you put your pages into each seperate album. You will be developing your own links and that is EASY PEASY as each page will reside in it's own folder.

When you begin seperating the pages, each one will go into it's own folder on your computer AND when you upload them to the server later on. When you go to a web site and click on a link, pay attention to the address in the address bar, like this:

You are on the home page and you click on "company"
You may get something like this:
www.painting.com/company/index.html (http://www.painting.com/company/index.html)
This page resides in it's own folder.

The way to develop your own links in web easy is exactly as it appears above and below. Each and every link on the original page (the one you will 'save as') should have links that look like this:

www.painting.com/index.html (http://www.painting.com/index.html) <--this is the HOME page.
www.painting.com/company/index.html (http://www.painting.com/company/index.html) <--This is the "company" page.
www.painting.com/links/index.html (http://www.painting.com/links/index.html) <-- this is the "links" page.

When you seperate the pages the navigation of the page to page in web easy is rendered inoperable so you must develop your own linking strategy for your web site before you seperate the pages. OR you can do it after and copy and paste the nav bars on each page.

The structure of your web site represents the building blocks for how you will manage the site later on. So you must take care when planning (developing) your new web site.

As each page of a web site must be it's own entity to be able to provide good solid SEO practices - each page must reside in it's own directory (folder). The advantages are too numerous to mention here but a few are:

Eash individual page will have it's own:
1) subject
2) title
3) meta tags
4) description
5) keywords and keyphrases
6) set of statistics
7) SEO results

This is not something you do at the end of building a web site.
Development is the first step before you start designing a web site. Web Easy Pro is BAR NONE the absolute BEST tool you could possibly have to build a web site but you MUST do the preliminary work to know how to use it to your advantage.

SO - to save yourself a bu--load of work later on seperating the pages to give each it's own identity -- you should do that NOW and develop your linking stategy.

NO - the links provided by web easy will no longer work.
YES - the links will be saved to each page as you "save as" but you must develop your own linking strategy and implelment it first.

Does this HELP?

Verb :)

[M0ZLB]

Thanks for all that, extremely informative - I think what I might have done is what perhaps a lot of people do and thats just jump in and make a website without thinking too far ahead! As it is, I have a site up which I am quite pleased with (Web Easy saw to that, great program) and I must admit to being very hesitant to start changing it around now even though I know its the right thing to do. Perhaps I just ought to bite the bullet and have a go - at least I have a back up :) Would it be of any benefit to have a look at what I have produced so far??
Thx,
David

[VerbatimEB]

Hello David,

Not to worry - I did the same thing a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away! LOL.

Of course, it is always a good idea to get reviews and critiques of your web site. I belong to several groups that do that and run one such group.

Post your url here and we can all look and see what you are doing. Be prepared - some people are rude. Most will say it "looks great". What you need are real critiques and suggestions to improve the visibility and suggestions as to development and design.

In my posts, down at the bottom is an url to a group where we share SEO techniques, discuss development (and computers in general) in a very casual setting - chatting and all that. We also view each others sites and comment. Please join there if you are interested. I like to have web easy users in there as I need help too with the operation of the software(webeasy). I get stuck plenty! But having this forum is a real boost to me - I have a place to get real help now too.

Verb :)

[M0ZLB]

(Hope its OK to keep posting questions!)

Taking your paint company site as an example, once I have split the 12 pages into 12 different albums, am I right in saying that each album has to be "saved as.." and then I put my own names in (following your example but substituting out the painting.com for my own site name then /index.htm etc etc??

And once I have done all that, then go into each page and re-size it as I wish (which is where this thread started :)), then upload each page (cos there is only one page in each album, yes?) after of course, I have sorted out the links on the nav bar?

At the moment, my links are set up via the links dialog, each link links to a page number! What would the dialog be for linking to another album/page?

Thanks a million (again)

David

[VerbatimEB]

You are right about how to save the pages.

To set up new links just pull down the menu in wep - click on um...
internet web page and enter the url.

include everything - like this:

http://www.painting.com/ (http://www.painting.com/company)company
http://www.painting.com/contact

and so on. Be sure to include the http:// before the web site domain name.

This is where you have to plan ahead (web site development) and know what the directories names will be. Before you upload all the pages you also have to go into your hosting companies cpanel and set up those directories so they are there when you are ready to upload. You set up the directories in the public_html directory.

Once you have all the pages seperated be sure to give each one it's own title (subject of the individual page), keywords/keyphrases and all that when uploading. I know it sounds like a pain in the drain but sites with more than 5 to 6 pages need this for SEO later on.

Trust me, you will be glad you did it this way. At one point I had to go back and redo 8 websites to do the SEO work once I "understood" what I really needed to do.

Don't get me wrong - the way the templates are set up in wep are truly great for newbies setting up whole web sites. I LOVE WEP and don't know what I would without it at this point. But if you are setting up a web site that will need extensive SEO later on - it is best to do this now and cut your learning curve in um, at least half - probably much more.

Gotta bet back to work - then bed at a decent time tonight!

Verb :)

[M0ZLB]

What would I do without this forum? Many thanks again!

Anyway, I loaded up my web site in WE with the first page on the screen; selected File>Save As, up came a box "Save as Document", I type in my chosen file name which if I understand correctly for the first page should be:

"www.mydomainname.com/index.html"

and the error message says the file name is not valid!

So I guess I am trying to "save as" in the wrong place! Can you explain where I should be doing this at?

Thanks

[VerbatimEB]

Your file name is not your url.

Doing "save as" - you use any file name:
home
comapany
links
whatever

Yous the the domain name is the url address.

Go back an read the instrucitons - file names are not url addresses - links to internet pages are.

See?

Verb :)

[VerbatimEB]

That is not entirely true. when choosing file names -the name should be descriptive of the page you are making.

Verb :)

[M0ZLB]

Ah ha !

I now have 13 .ALB's in WE, the original site album with everything in it plus 12 albums named individually for the content of the pages that will be in them (links, photos, news etc)

Need to go and do some chores now but later on I will start to strip out the content from each of the 12 so that just the relevant page is left in.

Then, I presume, the fun will start :p

[M0ZLB]

I now have 12 .ALB's each with one page in. All of the pages have been re-sized to my specifications and saved -each page is named after the content of the page - links, photos, news etc and appears in the WE Document folder as "links.ALB", "photos.ALB" etc, etc - so far so good (I hope)

Now, I have 12 links in the nav bar on each page so thats 144 individual links to do (unless there is a way of cheating)

So, if I take the first page and the first link to be done, I highlight the button, select "link dialog", select "internet web page" in the drop down menu, and then.....?

I think that I would then type in here "www.mydomainname/link.htm" or "photo.htm" etc etc, is that correct?? So once I build the site, the ALB's become htm's and the links will then match up when the site is uploaded to the net?

[Support_EL]

I hate to take this thread in a whole new direction but why would you have created a separate .alb for every page? You can just have them all as one site then give each page a separate name as a page file name.

From the FAQ section: You can change the file names of specific pages. This is not the same as changing a page title. 1) Go to the inspector window 2) properties 3) web page 4) file name 5) change the file name to whatever file name you wish to use, such as contact_us Once this is done, users viewing that page will see a url such as www.mywebsite.com/contact_us.htm

This should make editing and linking your site much easier. Good luck!

[M0ZLB]

mmmm....good question! I got the impression that "one site in one ALB" was the beginners way to do things - maybe not. Anyway, I am now mightily impressed with what I have now produced thanks to this forum. Question is of course, is there actually a right way to do it?
David

[VerbatimEB]

Good SEO down the line will take much less time if the proper care is executed from the beginning.

Each page will need it's own set of meta 'keyword; tags and it's own 'description' down the line.
Each page of a website should also be in it's own directory with a unique file name.
This list could go on for a while...There is a whole list of reasons "why" and while trying to explain the page size thing we wound up here. I am not sure how exactly... one thing leads to another, you know?

Verb :)

[Dave Koehler]

[QUOTE=Support_EL;18225]I hate to take this thread in a whole new direction but why would you have created a separate .alb for every page? You can just have them all as one site then give each page a separate name as a page file name.
QUOTE]

I will tackle this one. Unless something has changed in WE by doing what support suggests you run into this situation: You have a alb/document with 14 complex pages which takes quite a while to upload. You need to change just one thing on one page. You now have to upload the whole thing again and hope that the ftp doesn't fall apart half way through.

This is why some of us suggest making every page a single deal. That way it only takes seconds to upload it. As Verbatim said you also have control over keywords for every page instead of a generic fit all, hope the robots find it, deal.

Dave K